试了试 Grival的topMachine leashless，感觉还可以

Kristian

比我想像的容易，挺好抓的，爬的时候还是会有一点累，胳膊pump，没敢爬先锋，顶绳欺负了两把容易的。

自由的风

谁的Top machine？这么骚？！
http://www.bdel.com/gear/alpinism/fusion.php
玩leashless，还是这样的最好吧？听说旗云赞助了superkai一对。

mh

那是Grivel. Not Grival.  Grivel老头要在棺材里不安了。

top machine没有橡胶柄，比其他款的machine细些。

jane

I was told by a German that Charlet Moser is recently bought by Grivel.

I saw people use Fusion, Ergo leashless and Simond leashless in the Rockies (Hafner Creek).  They wore these kayland ice comp doing M8/9/10 bolted routes. Sick stuff for animals only.   

http://www.kayland.com/prodotti/IceComp.htm
$800 CDN at Banff's Mountainmagic.com

When I was in Thunder Bay,I met Nick Buda. He wears a pair home-made integrated boots. Because he thinks Kayland ice comp are too soft. He used La Sportiva, shaved the outer soles and cut away the heels, then bolted on BD's beta version integrated crampons. Buda uses Fusion (because he got them from BD cheap).

自由的风

是Petzl 收购了 Charlet Moser，我新买的M10的品牌已经是"Petzl Charlet"了。估计再过几年就只剩下“Petzl”了

jane

freewind, you are absolutely right.  

Check out my album and let me know what you think.