Indoor climbing gym in Beijing

solo

A real indoor gym:
15-20 meter walls, vertical, overhang, cracks, for roped climbing (lead climbing /top roping), >50 routes and new routes set every 3 weeks.
Would people be interested in a gym like this?


Location: where to find enough vertical space for rent, a location close to highways/subways where climbers can easily get to?
Membership: are there enough climbers interested, especially to train after a busy day of work on week days 2 times/week?

平错

是打算在北京搞一个吗？我看行，挺好，最好在奥体周边，有地铁，方便

平错

要有一个，超级好，省的冬天只能自己在家锻炼了

wen

As an comercial project you have to consider the income/expense balance, I heard about some indoor gyms had stoped running. If you realy want to set up such a gym, I suggest you run a outdoor shop in it, to find a good place where is spacious and cheap enough and easy to reach by most climbers is critical.

solo

谢谢。是赢利性质的。也是提供爱好者们场所和渠道，提供装备，教授安全绳索技术，交流信息，宣传环保，等等。北京需要一个大的室内岩馆适合冬天，周日下班后使用。

地点很重要。现在大家住的都比较分散，不知道下班后是不是还有精力，有愿望在室内攀岩，尤其路上要花时间。 虽然可能有更多的初学者，或是团体活动，个人认为如上所述的规模大的岩馆可以办得起来/值得去做的前提是： 足够数量的铁杆攀岩者，平时晚上下班后都回去，比如一周两次，风雨无阻，会购买月，或年票。

wei

Your picture is PlanetGranite Sunnyvale Gym, The place I normally go to. membership cost about 700 dollars per year.
http://planetgranite.com/locations/sunnyvale/sv_tour.php

A real indoor gym:
15-20 meter walls, vertical, overhang, cracks, for roped climbing (lead climbing  ...
solo 发表于 2010-2-25 19:56

solo

Thanks Wei, you are so smart. My first partner's name is even Wei...

平错

要想撑下去，房租很重要，不能太贵了

airfox

足够数量的铁杆是多少呢? 如果离家不太远,我只要没事天天都愿意去.
现在的奥莱在东南角,太远了,最多一周只能去两次,很不过瘾
北边的岩棍们不少,考虑一下奥体周边吧. 况且棍子们的下一代已经开始纷纷问世了, 他们显然是未来的铁杆

solo

一周两次已经很多了。
几百人至少。（不一定都是户外）。
你们觉得北京现在有这么多人吗？
否则奥莱的规模足够了。
我的朋友（和wei一个岩馆爬的）每次回北京工作都抱怨没有好的岩馆。现在可能有一个机会，如果有人有热情/能力想做，并且市场调查显示可行性，可能能拿到足够的资金开一家规模大的。
短期内挣钱的可能性就不用想了，只要能运转就是成功。
其他的我们想法都很多，比如装备店，书籍，trad/anchor class, slide shows, outings, 等等，但这些都没什么说服投资人的分量。

wei

Thanks Wei, you are so smart. My first partner's name is even Wei...
solo 发表于 2010-2-26 06:24

how do you know I am smart or not? Do I know you?

AFAIK, pretty much all profitable climbing gym managed to do so by doing following three things well:
1. getting a good deal on lease (for the space).
2. making a lot from non-climbers. from events such as birthday party and company offsite.
3. hire gym rats for really cheap as staff to cost operating cost.

I have yet to find a gym that stay profitable just by serving the real climber crowds.

solo

No gym can survive based only on climbers who climb outside.
Problem with corporate events or birthday party is that your revenue is not predictable, meaning you never know how much you can make next month or six months from now.

平错

可以开培训班，针对少年的培训班，就跟小学的兴趣班一样，这样收入会稳定很多

mh

奥体附近租金不便宜，除非能有什么办法打大折扣，比如使用那些没用的奥运场馆。不是说运动攀要进奥运会了吗---赶快忽悠，金牌从娃娃抓起 --- 也该轮到奥运会为攀岩做点贡献。另一个办法是选在偏远但是在城铁旁边的。
据我所知北京的学校对攀岩活动不太友好。领导们想的就是少出事，也完全不懂攀岩（即使是室内攀岩。。。他们不知道区别）。

平错

回龙观有室内的岩壁，也临着13号线，但对城里的爬虫来说，太偏远了

籮筐

很漂亮！羡慕啊！我們的是平板的有個小屋簷！不過畫得很漂亮！

小鼻涕

照片很漂亮 不过北京貌似搞不了这样的 对于场地来说太浪费了
北京的岩馆设计时还是要下工夫的 现在角度小的岩壁已经满足不了大部分岩棍了 而直壁太少又不利于新手的培训
北京的发展空间还是很大的 奥莱现在运转的很体面了 周末能有100多人次 周中每天也能3、40 外加由于位置的原因还有一批岩友不能经常过去