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发表于 2005-10-8 12:52 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
born from the simulation
来自广西的goldenmike在美国的攀岩论坛rockclimbing.com发了一个帖子,说他得到了《自救技术》的前59页,谁有下半部分的话,免费给他。

3000多个点击,51个回帖,回帖的内容我不转述了,太丢人了。我因为有这样的同胞感到无地自容。

“因为我是中国人,因为我穷,买不起书,所以你们应该施舍给我,让我提高攀岩水平。”——这就是goldenmike的逻辑,我相信很多人也是这么想的,但别去人家门口丢人现眼啊。

I am a Chinese new fish,I have got page1~page59 of <Self-Rescue>,if anyone got this book,can you give me the rest part to me free?I need it badly to update my skills.Please connat me,mike201314@163.com,thank you!

Yes ,I need a book such as <how to rock climb>by John Long indeed,but it is not easy to do that,maybe you can get it from web, but I cannot pay,in all,my situation is different from you.

原文:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=98255&postdays=0&postorder=asc&topic_view=&start=0
发表于 2005-10-8 14:37 | 显示全部楼层
born from the simulation
英语极烂,作法极愚蠢
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发表于 2005-10-8 17:10 | 显示全部楼层
born from the simulation
人看来并不太坏,只是缺常识。

那本书很好。哪个国内出版社给翻译出版最好。价钱会只有几十块。
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发表于 2005-10-9 00:51 | 显示全部楼层
born from the simulation
就是这一本吗,也不是很贵,usd10肯定就可以拿下了,值得吗
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发表于 2005-10-9 12:34 | 显示全部楼层
born from the simulation
很惭愧,刚看了,是在广西南宁,而且那些线路都是我和朋友们开的,5。6-5。12不等。但攀岩的人是谁,我不知道,毕竟我们不能开出了线路还要去义务的去教授每一个人,包括技能的或思想上的,良莠不齐在那都有的,所以各位不必过于在意一个人或一小部分人的处世方式。欢迎有空来南宁交流,这有足够让大家开心的线路和朋友。
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发表于 2005-10-9 16:18 | 显示全部楼层
Think Simulation
当然不是说你们南宁有问题,实际上我个人不认为goldenmike跟我有什么牵连。林子大了什么鸟都有,人们应该知道。
我在20多年前去过一次南宁。是第一次去南方。是在冬天。忽然四周全是夏天的感觉。看到招待所的服务员就忽然意识到南方女人。。且说与北方的不同吧。;-)
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发表于 2005-10-10 11:33 | 显示全部楼层
Think Simulation
哈哈,我刚在 RC.com 上接上去发了个言,   网名  sinorock,   请大家消消气。

其实在国外, 以偏盖全的洋人不多。 或者说,洋人的民族主义没有中国人那          么严重。   

四处走走:
我以前每年都去广西,  小时候有几年住在宜山县,每天都看着屋后石灰岩的山头, 那里有搞头。           

广西可以开线的地方太多了。    南方多雨,山洞里可以爬一爬。       不知你们在没在洞里开线。
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发表于 2005-10-10 17:35 | 显示全部楼层
Think Simulation
呵呵,洞里的线路有一些了,有一个特别象月亮山的地方,很有镐头。
来南宁爬过的人还不是太多,以前王大,应然来过,之后王大来了也不爬了,只有酒没有岩了:( 还好前些天刘喜南过来一起又整了条线。记得来南宁的时候支吾一声。
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发表于 2005-10-11 14:32 | 显示全部楼层
Think Simulation
晕死 还真是后山 这样的照片这样的语胎 咳 那哥们自我感觉太好了
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发表于 2005-10-11 14:33 | 显示全部楼层
born from the simulation
四哥那山洞什么时候去搞多几条线路啊 夏天那里好爽的捏
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发表于 2005-10-22 08:52 | 显示全部楼层
Think Simulation
如果他在这里发就不是丢人,出去发你们就没面子了?
人家老外大部分还是理解和友好的,你们丢的什么人?
一个个看上去正人君子,其实TMD虚伪得不是一点点。

SinoJane,你除了在那里吹自己资格的老牛外,你说明了什么?你有哪条是真凭实据的东西和观点?
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发表于 2005-10-22 21:37 | 显示全部楼层
born from the simulation
偶?你激动裟???
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 楼主| 发表于 2005-10-23 23:20 | 显示全部楼层
Think Simulation
to Lingjiec:
不可否认,我有比较强烈的民族主义。老外越是友好,越是愿意提供帮助,我越会感觉羞愧,因为我把goldenmike当作同胞,我不愿意中国人被老外瞧不起。如果他是日本人,我只会幸灾乐祸。很遗憾,我没见过一个日本人这样堂而皇之地乞讨白食。

没有版权意识,这我能理解。大部分国人没觉得盗版是可耻的。虽然我在用盗版的windows2000,但我知道这是可耻的事,我偷了bill gates的东西,我不是正人君子,我是小人。我与goldenmike的区别在于,我没有他那么理直气壮,我不会说give me free。不食嗟来之食,这点气节,我还是有的。goldenmike是知道应该给钱的,只是因为my siduation is different from you,所以i cannot pay you。这种话搁在任何地方都是丢脸的。

如果你对golenmike的做法没有觉得任何不妥,抱歉,在这里我鄙视你,帖子发在rc.com的话,我一样觉得你丢人。
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发表于 2005-10-24 13:13 | 显示全部楼层
born from the simulation
“人家老外大部分还是理解和友好的,你们丢的什么人?
一个个看上去正人君子,其实TMD虚伪得不是一点点。

SinoJane,你除了在那里吹自己资格的老牛外,你说明了什么?你有哪条是真凭实据的东西和观点?”

在我看来,天下乌鸦一般黑, 国人和洋人一样, 大部分还是理解和友好的。  洋人的防人之心少一点,  因为耍把戏的人少。   

这坛子里多是正人君子,  说话冲的不少,冲得不是一点点,  虚伪的真还不多。

我发言的每条都是事实,实话说了一大堆,唯一没做的就是说谎吹牛。   为了方便大家, 我把我在rc.com上的贴子转贴在此》

我的 post, 第一篇:

I know plenty of Chinese climbers who directly order climbing books from Amazon. Sometimes they ask their friends to get them books from US and Europe to save the costly shipping charge. Actually, I myself frequently help them getting books and DVDs. Moreoever, Chinese climbers live in the US and Europe are doing a great job in writing and translating classic articles for the Chinese climbing community at large. Most of them, with the permission from authors, are posted online free of charge.

Of course, as every society has idiots, morons, mentally retarded, and criminals, there is no exception that we see a few ugly dudes among Chinese climbers.

Interestingly, Mike didn't post anything on any major Chinese climbing message boards. You would think it is easier for him to post in Chinese and ask for advise from his countrymen (and women) . Instead, despite his struggle with Engish, Mr. Mike posted a message here and begged for free lunch.

Even worse, Mr. Mike wasn't even telling the truth in his begging speech. He lied about the situation in China as a climber, probably thought he could get away from his lies, or he could get sympathy from the "rich" climbers in first- and second world countries.

But surprisingly, this dude got exposed both at rc.com and the Chinese message board! Even his local climbers now started wondering who he was. Have you noticed that he posted the photos carefully without revealing his face?

This shall teach Mr. Mike a lesson. This is what a liar and a parasite deserved, not a free lunch, but a free lesson from the climbing community!


Mike,

You should read this:
www.rockbeer.org/bbs/topic.php

我的 post, 第二篇:

thrmaln wrote:
Hey Sinorock,

How did Mike lie about his situation in China? Did I miss something? How do you know he got exposed on the Chinese message board? Did you have someone read it and translate it for you. ...
... but now I am a little more cautious then I was before based on Sinorock's findings should they prove to be true.

Best regards,

Marc Webster


Hi, Marc,

I appreciate your kindness and serious atitude.

As we shall all strive to be kind and compassionate, we shall not be taken adventage of.

I got to know Goldenmike's infamous post from www.rockbeer.org/bbs. Somehow people in China found out he posted some crap here and got really upset. After reading the thread, I decided to write something to clear things up.

I am an ethic Chinese who lives in US and climb in US, Canada, and China. I speak English and Chinese. In addition to the rc.com, I frequent several major Chinese climbing message boards, such as the bbs on Sina.com, rockbeer.org, "doyouhike", and 8264.com.

I reckon I am qualified to be someone who presents facts. Here is why:

1. I am one of the folks that helped Chinese climbers get books from US. Earlier this year, I helped my friends get four copies of Marc Twight's book, "Extreme Alpinism". Some of them I never met.

2. I translated UIAA's helmet standard, safety test articles by Tom Moyer and others, and had them posted on the Chinese climbing web site so Chinese can read them.

3. I was invited by the Editor of the Chinese Outdoor Magazine "Shan Ye" to write an article on "Selection of ice axes".

4. I made contribution to the "Bai-He Climbing Fund", a grass-root effort to establish climbing routes in China.

5. I am a scientist by profession, whose goal is search for truth. I have more than twenty technical papers published in English and have been invited speakers of numerous universities in US, Canada, and China.

Marc, please PM me if you have any more concerns.

Jane

原文在:
www.rockclimbing.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=98255&postdays=0&postorder=asc&topic_view=&start=60
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发表于 2005-10-30 13:21 | 显示全部楼层
Think Simulation
不好意思,有点过激了。
两位在这样的情况下耐心解释,甚为欣赏。

I take back
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发表于 2005-10-30 15:30 | 显示全部楼层
born from the simulation
唉,林子大了,什么鸟都有。烦不了
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